"Out of sight: Out of mind" - Or should that be: "Blissfully unaware"?
This Sola60 panel (above) on our house looks impressive doesn't it? This is saving our family money on water heating and it is great for the environment. We are responsible citizens in this clean and green land. That was what we thought.
Here are the replacement panels that were supplied to us under warranty:

These panels are bleached and have extensive corrosion (looks like sprinkled talcum powder) of the collector surface. And they now look kind of grey-blue which is not the best colour for absorbing solar heat.

Thankfully, they were replaced under warranty.

They are corroding again and we currently (30/11/2206) have a request with Sola60 to remove the system entirely from our roof because the warranty has not long to run and plenty of failed attempts have been had at resolving the problem. They were removed 24 January 2007.
How big is the problem? This is the question that I set out to answer by spending a few weeks trying to locate solar water heating systems in Central and South Wellington. This was not an easy exercise. I found several (Ours included).
Look at this Sola60 panel: Just two and a half years old, with visibly faded strips and corroded in places. No building consent.

Will this panel last five years; let alone 10-15? Look closer:

Let's have a look at a six year old Solahart panel (This system is owned by a young family):

Here's another angle, because it can be very hard to see what is beneath patternised glass:
As one installer jokingly said to me; "White is not a very good colour for solar panels".
The Government, the Green Party and environmental groups like Greenpeace are urging householders to be responsible and "invest" in solar water heating. A 15 million dollar Government campaign has been announced that will encourage approximately 15,000 to 20,000 extra systems to be installed by 2010. This could be a lot of landfill material if my experience proves to be the rule and not the exception.
"But surely these systems have improved over the last five years?" You respond.
You could be right; but I will counter this immediately by pointing out that the three different solar panel models that we have had on our roof are all less than five years old from today.
Here is a Solahart system that is just one year old and doesn't it look really smart?

Look carefully through the heavily patternised glass and you can just see a lots of white patches dotted about the panel:
Here's another angle and another section of panel:
As you would gather, the owner (A family with two young children) was concerned that this could happen so quickly. To make matters worse; the installer had told him that a building consent was not required for the installation. The building inspector thought otherwise. This owner is now facing a costly and lengthy bureaucratic procedure to get retrospective approval.
Are there any systems that will reliably last 10+ years?
I cannot answer this. I found several brands; but some I could not get access to for various reasons (Mostly lack of safe access) and other installations were far too recent to be able to make any kind of judgement.
The Solar Industry and the Government need to certify which solar panels are of sufficient durability to provide at least 10-15 years of reliable service under New Zealand conditions.
Here is a photo of the oldest Chromagen installation of the three I found in Wellington. This one has been in place for almost five years. Of all the solar panels that I inspected, this is the only installation over a few years old that did not show any corrosion of the absorber surfaces:
Warning!
Do not even think about going onto your roof until you have read the rest of this page about safety.
You must read all of this. Do not risk breaking your neck clambering onto your roof. Get an experienced professional, like a builder or plumber to do the inspection for you.
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Comments about what might be going on here:
Notes:
- The following pages do not purport to be an authoritative study by a qualified expert. This site does not endorse or favour any product over another. Solar water heating installations are presented as they were found. They are in no particular order and may only represent those brands that have sold the most in a region.
- Any information is that from one interested consumer being passed to another. Anybody may offer corrections and add further information by the comments function of this blog, or by writing direct to the owner.
- Modern solar water heating systems are very efficient and a technology that is sensible to embrace. However; they must work at close to peak, trouble-free seasonal efficiency year after year for 15-20 years to provide payback on the investment.
- The difficulty for the consumer is on deciding which make and model will go the distance when most of the modern systems on NZ roofs are only a few years old. These web pages and the feedback from readers via the blog comments may assist the consumer wiht making an informed choice.
- Even if a system is replaced under an extended warranty, this runs counter to "green" sentiments by creating expensive landfill materials.
- This page was first loaded November 26, 2006 and is updated regularly. By the date of this page's latest update (25 Feb 2007) over thirty faulty setups have been identified and this number grows by the day.
Quick Summary
- Our family home had solar water heating for just over four years.
- In that time, we had the collector panels replaced three times.
- The third set has visibly corroded in just seven months and needed replacement.
- Our warranty was due to run out out in less than a year and the company (Sola60) refused to warranty the replacement panels beyond that time.
- We then sought a refund and removal of the system. Sola60 refused.
- Our only option was to take the matter to a Disputes Tribunal hearing.
- Dissatisfied with the Tribunal option, I decided to see if other consumers had similar problems.
- Of those solar water heating panels that were able to be examined, all Solahart and all but one of the Sola60 panels were visibly corroding meaning that in excess of 80% of the total of all flat panel systems older than one year showed discoloration. Photos of many of these are published on this website to give consumers a good idea of the extent of the problem and to know what to look for.
- The problem is not restricted to Sola60 or Solahart as is evident from the photos on this website.
- None of the householders contacted were aware of the problem.
- The same pattern of discoloration, whatever the cause may be, is reported and documented for other parts of New Zealand and similar results are found in Australia.
- Many of the installations, including ours, did not have the required building consents despite this being a requirement in most cases if not all. According to our insurance company our house insurance has been compromised for the last four years.
- Many of the installations lacked the required insulation lagging on pipes as is required for peak performance.
- Many were poorly sited and improperly angled to the sun and thus compromised in terms of performance.
- As a result of this website going live in November 2007, we have now received a refund and the panels on our roof have been removed.
- This website is being maintained as an information resource for the consumer.
While Although I am not an expert on these matters, I have studied physics and chemistry at tertiary level and I probably have a better than average technical knowledge. One can not assume that what works well in the relatively hot, dry conditions of continental Australia, the USA or the Middle East can be transferred to New Zealand's climatic conditions.. New Zealand is a long and narrow country. It is typically very windy with lots of rain and humid coastal air that is salt laden (Since writing this, the same patterns have been documented in Australia).
Solar Solar water heating panels are intentionally sited in exposed locations, typically on the top of buildings. They are therefore exposed to the worst local conditions of heat, cold, wind and water. In Wellington solar panels are subjected to salt-laden rain that is horizontally driven by wind gusts that can exceed 160km/hr. Unless the panel is exceptionally well sealed and built from corrosion-resistant materials, it is inevitable that water will get inside and materials will eventually degrade (It should be noted that similar problems are seen in central North Island locations that are well away from the ocean).
Another factor that may be at work is the circadian expansion and contraction of the inner air space. Heated air is forced out during the day; then cool moist air is sucked back in during the night to condense on the glass and collector surfaces. The next day the moisture is evaporated, leaving a slight salt deposit that steadily builds over time. If you look carefully at the first photo of the Solahart panel you can see what appears to be salt streaking left by condensation on the innerside of the glass. The same can be seen on the collectors of the Sola60 panels
Once the metal is wet and with a buildup of salt and the cyclical application of heat and cold the conditions are ripe for some exciting chemistry: namely corrosion - the conversion of metal into powdery whitish metal salt crystals. Corrosion is also rampant where Galvanic processes are at work. Galvanising happens where different metals, like copper and aluminium, aided by moisture and salt, are able to exchange electrons in a redox reaction like what happens between the cathode and anode partitions of a standard battery. Once these destructive processes have begun, the solar panel is probably doomed.
Fading may be due to the black coating surface on the collector being of poor resistance and even too thin to resist the baking under high UV sunlight.
These corrosive processes are very gradual and may go unnoticed until after the warranty has run out. From my survey of Wellington and other parts of New Zealand, this would appear to be what is happening: Not a single householder that I contacted had any idea of what was happening. For those with patternised glass panels, being able to see what is happening underneath is especially difficult.
Access problems means that many panels are inaccessible for householders; particularly the elderly. In some cases, scaffolding, ropes and harnesses are necessary to safely gain access to rooftop panels.
The general inaccessibility of the panels, plus the very gradual deterioration in heat absorption is such that few people will notice. This gradual deterioration is further hidden by the daily and seasonal fluctuations of sunlight (In Wellington we often get all four seasons in a week!).
Power bills fluctuate for all kinds of reasons and the electric booster heater on a single tank system may hide the deterioration by quietly working a little harder as the years pass. The consequent increase in power bills is understandably attributed fully to price increases. We insisted on a double tank setup which was fortunate. We have one tank that is entirely solar heated. It feeds into another tank which is then boosted before being used by the household. We are therefore able to closely monitor the daily solar performance as the months and years go by without being confused by power bills.
Which system is best for New Zealand conditions?
Let us find out for ourselves. If you have a solar water heating system; especially if it is more than four or five years old and still in perfect working condition, I want to hear from you. Write in about your system. You must include photographic evidence and documentation of age that I can publish and include your contact details (Contact details will be kept confidential).
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19 Comments:
Thanks Gary, really appreciate the time you’re putting into this.
Before you visited we had no idea our system (Solahart above) had corrosion. Now we’re aware of it, the temperature drop of 10–15° compared to sunny days when the system was new is quite noticeable.
Thankfully in our case Mander Plumbing did obtain building consent. They no longer deal in Solahart gear so we’re taking the corrosion up with the new dealer, Spinks Energy Systems.
Gary
Thank you for all your careful work on this. Your report is worrying, and a serious deterrent. We were ready to get solar panels installed, but will now wait till this obvious problem is solved properly. If we are typical, the economic and political fallout will be considerable. Have you sent your report to the Government? Pleased do. It's essential that they know and deal with the issue before investing (and wasting) public money in the promotion campaign.
Roger
Roger,
The Government is aware of my findings.
There are a few encouraging designs but how can they be endorsed if there is not the test data showng that they can weather a typical Wgtn location for more than a few years?
Hopefully, lots of people will write in with their experiences and these can assist us with making informed choices.
The Solar Industries Association takes product and installation quality very seriously and has been working with EECA for the last five years to ensure that only quality systems are installed, and by competent installers. The association has been working with EECA to get appropriate technical standards for products sold in NZ and for their installation. Revisions of these standards by a joint Australian/NZ Standards Committee are currently out for public discussion and we hope that anyone with experience of SWH assists us get these standards right by providing the Committee with their views. Installer training has been available for the last year from Waikato Institute of Technology and is currently being rolled out to Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. The Solar Industries Association also has published a Code of Practice setting out best practice. EECA has contracted Building Research to undertake monitoring of actual system performance while from February next year EECA will be publishing the comparative performance of respective systems operated in NZ irradiation conditions and to a common standard. The Association also administers an accreditation scheme which provides the public with information on those suppliers who meet at least minimum industry standards. While the Association can promote quality SWH through these initiatives it is always the competence of the installers to ensure quality systems occur. To assist this the Association has a Complaints Procedure where anyone with any concern about their system can raise their concern. To date there have been very few complaints despite the over 3500 systems installed each year. If you or anyone you know has any concerns about their installation (such as those identified by Gary and shown on this website) you should immediately contact your supplier. If you do not get an appropriate resoponse from the supplier you should approach the Association. The Association can not get involved with a resolution of any concerns, as under consumer legislation this must be between the supplier and the customer, but the Association can assist with independent advice. Corrosion such as Gary has identified here has not been brought to the Association's attention before this but so we would be very interested to know if it is on any other installations. If you have such a concern you are encouraged to approach your supplier and to also advise the association so that action can be taken if there are problems with the standard or quality of installation. What is learnt from issues brought to the Association's attention is incorporated in either revision of the standard or in the installer training material. The association appreciates feedback on any aspect of product or installation. It is only through this feedback that improvements can be made. Brian Cox Executive Officer Solar Industries Association brian.cox@solarindustries.org.nz www.solarindustries.org.nz
A few points in response to Brian Cox's:
The solar industry has been aware that there may be a problem with corrosion because the problems we have been having with our panels has been known for some years.
100% of the owners I contacted had no idea of what to look for and some were shocked at what was discovered. If this is typical, it is hardly a surprise there have been few complaints.
The EECA has been aware of the problem. One of the panels posted on this site was inspected by an EECA official a few months ago but made no mention to the elderly couple that their panels were corroding.
Gary
I reiterate that this is the first time that any problem with solar panels have been brought to the attention of EECA and the Association. Yet there are an estimated 30,000 systems installed. From time to time there are issues with product which have to be addressed and most of the industry have a good histoy of addressing these under warranty.
It is important that if there is any concern on any product that it is brought up with the supplier. They can not address problems that they are not aware of.
I understand that the Wellington Solahart dealer has sought contact details of systems you have shown photos of so that they can examine the panels in question. Without that information they can not follow up with the owners to see if there is a problem.
If you can pass on the details of systems where owners have a concern then they can be investigated.
Brian Cox
And, owners will not know of any problems if they are left unaware of the possibility and what to look for; hence this website.
Each owner of the panels in these photos will be contacting their respective suppliers, if not already.
Gary,
As a technician who has been involved in the design and service of consumer products for 20 years I wish to make a few comments.
Brian Cox seems to be blaming "installation problems" as a cause of the corrosion problems ,I dought this very much as these systems have been installed over a number of years by different installers and some are different models.Lets not forget industry associations are set up to represent the interests of the manufacturers not the consumer
Your sample of failures is very significant (a gross under statement) and the manufacturer should be very worried as the cat is now out of the bag.The manufacturer would be well aware of this problem as they dont lightly replace panels worth thosands without fully investigating what the cause of the problem is,not when its under warranty.
It seems pretty obvious to me that they have a inherit design problem and you will find they will all corrode ,the only variation will be how long will it take.The manufacturer has been getting away with this because its out of site out of mind and by the time they do notice a problem it will be out of warranty,the few that do pick up a fault are told "that's unusual,we havent seen this before,it must be a one off fault"(I used to say that 5x a day untill we eventually engineered out the fault in one product I worked on) I note that some solar panels use a combination of aluminium and copper! Any boatie will tell you that you don't do that unles you want your boat to corrode away.So why wouldn't they use all copper? I bet the answer is cost copper is more expensive than aluminium . As long as it lasts the warranty period they are ok ,then they can sell you another one,it's bad business to have your product last for 20y +.
As far as Wellington's weather being used as an excuse; this is rubbish,try parts of the USA -20celcius to +40 snow and blizzards and they use solar water heaters,NZ has a very mild climate compared to many parts of the world.
I commend you Gary for carrying this issue through and not giving in,the world needs more of you.
Bruce
Gary you are doing great work..
I have built my own panels and after 1.5 years of use in Wellingtons sometimes very crappy weather there is no noticeable deteriation at all.
My panels have each a 10mm moisture drain hole on the lowest corner and two air 20mm vent holes on the lowest bottom face. They never seem to get any condensation which could drip onto the copper fins.
To prevent corrosion due to possible electrolysis action of dissimilar metals there must be no connection between the internal copper heat absorbing fins and the aluminium case; or between the external case and the metal roof, ie mount it on wood insulators; or between the connecting copper pipes and the metal roof.
I note from your photos the panels appear to be bolted direct to the roof. There appears to be no drain or vent holes. I note also the black pipe insulation is not protected from the suns UV, the stuff is not uv stable and breaks down in a couple of years, it should be coated with something; eg good quality paint.
Hi Gary
Well done, this is really good work. We are a NZ made solar water heating company based in Christchurch. The solar water heating industry has come a long way, but still has some significant quality problems to overcome - obviously!
Quality problems are not limited to flat plate collectors. Material compatibility with roof cladding and the use of overheating dump valves are also significant issues, but are still being installed. In most cases, this is a breach of the building code, but these installations are still receiving certification.
Performance monitoring of installed systems is something we do to ensure our equipment is working correctly over time. As far as we are aware, we are the only company doing this.
There are a lot of cheap Chinese vacuum tube systems being installed. These are generally down on collector area with suppliers claiming higher efficiency - not true. There can be advantages in these systems, but higher efficiency is not one of them.
If you are purchasing solar water heating, it is still very much a case of ‘buyer beware’. Make sure you get at least 3 quotes, make sure building consent is included, check the collector area being recommended (system aperture), and check out references from the company you choose to supply your system.
The consumer website has a very good guide on solar water heating. We have some pointers on what to look for on our own website also.
Martin Perry
www.mirak.co.nz
Hi Gary
Well done, this is really good work. We are a NZ made solar water heating company based in Christchurch. The solar water heating industry has come a long way, but still has some significant quality problems to overcome - obviously!
Quality problems are not limited to flat plate collectors. Material compatibility with roof cladding and the use of overheating dump valves are also significant issues, but are still being installed. In most cases, this is a breach of the building code, but these installations are still receiving certification.
Performance monitoring of installed systems is something we do to ensure our equipment is working correctly over time. As far as we are aware, we are the only company doing this.
There are a lot of cheap Chinese vacuum tube systems being installed. These are generally down on collector area with suppliers claiming higher efficiency - not true. There can be advantages in these systems, but higher efficiency is not one of them.
If you are purchasing solar water heating, it is still very much a case of ‘buyer beware’. Make sure you get at least 3 quotes, make sure building consent is included, check the collector area being recommended (system aperture), and check out references from the company you choose to supply your system.
The consumer website has a very good guide on solar water heating. We have some pointers on what to look for on our own website also.
Hi Gary
My apologies, I did not include our web address for my post. It is: www.mirak.co.nz. Keep up the good work.
Best Regards
Martin Perry
I note that these problems only refer to two types of flat panel collectors, but suddenly all solar water heating systems are in question. Now you have a N.Z. manufacturer of solar water heating units from Christchurch, saying that you should be wary of very high performance Chinese evacuated tube systems. Oh dear, what next? Brian Cox, of the N.Z. Solar Industries Association has pretty much covered the current situation correctly. The process he has outlined is the correct one to take.
If your looking at purchasing a solar water heating unit, you should take several sensible steps. Talk to someone who has had one installed and get advice from them regarding how good the installation was etc. Not all installers have the same level of skill, which is to be expected, and you should talk to the supplier of the product for their recommendations. Look at the warranty of the unit, as Janette Fitzsimons recommended, because this will give you a pretty good idea how much faith the manufacturer has in their products. There are units currently available, on the N.Z. market , with up to fifteen years factory warranty on the collectors!
Let’s be sensible about this . If your washing machine breaks down , you don’t take up a vendetta against washing machine manufacturers. N.Z. needs this technology and it does work albeit some better than others. We are currently at least 5 to 10 years behind the rest of the world with an abysmal number of solar installations per capita. We have a reputation throughout the world as being slow to accept new technology. Let’s hope that solar energy is an acception.
There is absolutely no vendetta. The solar industry, the Greens and others have had several months, if not years to show leadership on this issue and have not done so. It has become inevitable that the pressure building would cause the lid to blow, if not relieved.
Solahart, Sola60, Edwards and Solapak are on this website as showing signs of discoloration. This has been a totally random exercise without bias. The results are probably representative of which brands have sold most - least in NZ.
Length of warranties are meaningless if the owner has no idea of the issues, including what to look for as is the safety issues to do with accessibility onto dangerous rooftops. In some cases where the installer/agent has later inspected the panels after concerns by the owner, they have been told everything is fine when they clearly were not - there are examples of this practice on this website.
Yes, we are 15 years behind some others but this is no reason for being substandards just to be the same in terms of % uptake. The recent BRANZ reports that can be accessed via this site outline a long list of shortcomings.
As a solar specialist, do you think there should be a product recall? What are you going to do for those thousands of families who have, in good faith, invested in systems that are clearly not up to scratch? What are you going to do for the families who have compromised their home and contents insurance because they have no Building Consent?
Hi Gary,
you mentioned in the article that the Chromagen panel pictured was the only panel that showed no corrosion. However, you also stated that the panel was the oldest of three Chromagen panels you found in Wellington. Did that mean that the other two Chromagens did have corrosion problems? cheers
Hi Gary,
you mentioned in the article that the Chromagen panel pictured was the only panel that showed no corrosion. However, you also stated that the panel was the oldest of three Chromagen panels you found in Wellington. Did that mean that the other two Chromagens did have corrosion problems? cheers
The others were in perfect condition; but this should be expected given they were months, rather than years old.
I will be getting about and looking at these again next year to see what is the situation.
Please refer to www.rustypanels.co.nz from now on for the latest.
Thankyou Gary for creating this blog and creating an awareness of the the downfalls associated with going Solar/Green.
However, with the increasing fuel prices and technological advancement over the past 2 years several energy efficient, asthetically pleasing and affordable panels are available in the market. Most importantly a lot of them are certified by the SRCC in United States. During my Research one such manufacturing company I came across was Power Partners, Inc based in Athens, GA. The web link is www.powerpartnerssolar.com
Intrestingly the collectors are lightweight weighing only 19lbs(20" x 6') and 38lbs (20" x 12'. Also a wide range of collector trim color options are available at the manufacturer to choose from.
Thankyou.
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